Super, danke für die Hinweise! Das wäre schon toll für das Projekt, wenn das Meshing klappt.<br><br>Dürfen wir dich bei Haken und Ösen wieder kontaktieren?<br><br>Oder hast du evtl. Lust, das Projekt als Mentor zu begleiten?<br>
<br>J.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/9 Stefan Rovetto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:designo@gmx.net">designo@gmx.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span>Hoi Johannes</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span>Mesh geht sehr wohl! Flexibles Gedankengut
vorausgesetzt. Wir haben im letzten Jahr das ganze Quartiernetz upgedated. Mesh
lassen wir auf der "unteren Ebene" laufen und mit einem zweiten AP hinter dem
Mesh-Geraet haengen wir ein Infrastruktur AP dran. Dadurch bekommst du den
Vorteil vom Meshing und hast die 100%-ige Kompatibilitaet und die 100%-ige
Nicht-Aergere-Mich-Garantie zu allen Geraeten, egal ob XO, iPhone,
Fotoapparate etc. Der Update-Thread -> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=159191169131&topic=11500" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=159191169131&topic=11500</a> </span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span>Nachteile a) es braucht ein paar Watt mehr 8-(
und b) Update- und erhoehter Geraetesupport. Zum Glueck habe ich von beiden
Nachteilen bis heute noch nichts gespuehrt.</span></font></div>
<p><span lang="de-ch"><font face="Arial" size="2">Freundliche
Gruesse</font></span> <span><font face="Arial" size="2">aus Bern</font></span><br><span lang="de-ch"><font face="Arial"><font size="2">Stefan<br><span>--<br>OLPC / Ondalivre -> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130220360306" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130220360306</font></a></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span lang="de-ch"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </p>
<p><span lang="de-ch"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </p>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> <a href="mailto:olpc-de-bounces@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">olpc-de-bounces@lists.laptop.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:olpc-de-bounces@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">olpc-de-bounces@lists.laptop.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Johannes
Ponader<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 8. März 2010 21:46<br><b>An:</b> Christoph
Derndorfer<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:olpcaustria@lo-res.org" target="_blank">olpcaustria@lo-res.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:olpc-de@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">olpc-de@lists.laptop.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OLPC-DE] [Olpcaustria]
Projektvorstellung: CompetitiveLearning Within A Mesh
Network<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Hallo Christoph,<br><br>danke für deine interessanten
Hinweise!<br><br>Das mit dem mesh network ist natürlich wichtig, damit wir uns
nicht gleich am Anfang doppelte Arbeit machen müssen.<br><br>Das Handbuch
ist auch ein toller Tip. Die devel-Liste jedenfalls habe ich im Auge
;-)<br><br>Soviel für heute,<br><br>Johannes.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/8 Christoph Derndorfer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:e0425826@student.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank">e0425826@student.tuwien.ac.at</a>></span><br>
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<div>Hallo Johannes,<br><br>klingt nach einem sehr interessanten
Projekt! :-)<br><br>Ein Wort vielleicht zum Mesh-Netzwerk: Leider hat sich
herausgestellt, dass es hier einen ganzen Haufen Schwierigkeiten gibt weshalb
in vielen Schulen jetzt doch eher auf klassische Infrastruktur mit Access
Points gesetzt wird. Das Mesh-Netzwerk wird, soweit ich das beurteilen kann,
aktuell nur eher im begrenzten Rahmen eingesetzt.<br><br></div>Bezüglich der
Collaboration-Infrastruktur wird sich auf Softwareebene in den nächsten
Monaten in Sugar wohl auch einiges ändern, siehe dazu diesen Blog-Eintrag von
Tomeu Vizoso: <a href="http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2010/03/my-focus-during-090-collaboration.html" target="_blank">http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2010/03/my-focus-during-090-collaboration.html</a>
bzw. würde ich empfehlen diesbezüglich auch die sugar-devel Mailingliste (<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a>) im Auge zu
behalten.<br><br>Last but not least, James Simmons arbeitet seit einiger Zeit
an einem sehr ausführlichen Handbuch zur Programmierung von Activities. Der
letzte Stand der Dinge ist unter <a href="http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.03.05-04.59.13.pdf" target="_blank">http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.03.05-04.59.13.pdf</a>
zu finden und ich denke der Inhalt könnte für euer Team recht interessant und
hilfreich sein.<br><br>Liebe Grüsse aus Wien,
<div><br>Christoph<br><br>Zitat von Johannes Ponader <<a href="mailto:johannesponader@googlemail.com" target="_blank">johannesponader@googlemail.com</a>>:<br><br></div>
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<div>Hallo,<br><br>anbei sende ich euch einen Projektantrag für
ein<br>Activity-Entwicklungsprojekt und bitte euch um euer
Feedback.<br><br>Wir werden den Antrag in den nächsten Tagen beim
contributors program<br>einreichen und sind für Tips, Hinweise etc.
dankbar.<br><br>Vielleicht kennt ihr Menschen, die an etwas ähnlichem
arbeiten, vielleicht<br>habe ich etwas übersehen (z. B. dass doch
schon eine Laptop Lending Library<br>in Deutschland gibt
o.ä.?)<br><br>Vielleicht hat auch jemand von euch Lust, das Projekt als
Mentor und/oder<br>Tester zu begleiten.<br><br>Ich freue mich auf euer
Feedback, gern auch auf<br><a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Competitive_Learning" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Competitive_Learning</a><br><br>Der
Antragstext ist dort auch zu finden unter<br><a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Competitive_Learning" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Competitive_Learning</a><br><br>Johannes
Ponader.<br><br>--<br><br>Project Title & Shipment Detail<br><br>*Name
of Project:*<br><br>Competitive Learning within a Mesh Network<br></div>
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<div>] Team Participants<br><br>*Name(s) & Contact Info:
(include all email addresses & phone numbers)*<br><br>Johannes Ponader,
programmer (development), pedagogue for game/drama/theatre<br>in
education<br><br>Mathias Krebs, programmer (testing),
pedagogue<br><br>Patrick Hupka, programmer (interface design, usability),
web programmer<br><br>*Employer and/or School:*<br><br>Project KUSS
(?Kinder, Unterricht und Systeme für Schulerfolg? - Children,<br>Teaching
and Systems for Success at School), provided by the City of
Munich<br><br>*in partnership w/:*<br><br>ETC - Euro Trainings
Centre<br>80331 München<br><br>*and*<br><br>Hauptschule an der
Bernaysstraße<br>80937 München<br><br>*Past
Experience/Qualifications:*<br><br>In our team, the following qualifications
come together:<br><br>Application development (C, C++, Python, Java, Perl),
server/web development<br>(PHP, Javascript, Ajax, Flash/Actionscript),
database development (MySQL,<br>Access), web design, interface design,
interaction design & animation,<br>learning research, learning
techniques, drama/theatre and games in education<br><br></div>
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Objectives<br><br>*Project Objectives: (WEB-PUBLISHED <<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects</a>>)*
<div><br><br>The project's aim is to develop an activity framework
for competitive<br>learning/training activities over the mesh
network.<br><br>Two or more teams within a learning environment compete
against each other.<br>They can see the learning/training effort of their
own and of the other<br>teams, compare their own achievements, gain awards
for achieving teacher<br>defined learning/training goals. They see in real
time which team members of<br>their own or other teams are actively learning
at the moment and which<br>challenges their team and the other teams are
actually facing.<br><br>By getting immediate feedback over the
learning/training effort - as well<br>over their own, as over their team's
and as over the effort of the competing<br>team(s), pupils can be motivated
to learn in a special way.<br><br>Into the activity framework for
competitive learning/training a model<br>learning/training activity will be
integrated. This highly customizable<br>question/answer activity can be used
to train foreign or first language<br>vocabulary, maths, or any other
knowledge that can be training in a<br>sophisticated question/answer
style.<br><br>The learning/training activity uses experience from learning
research to<br>gain a maximum of learning effect within the given time
dedicated to<br>learning by the pupils. As well as the pupils, the
teacher(s) can see the<br>training achievements of the class and can
retrieve detailed reports about<br>the successes and the learning gaps of
the class - via the mesh network<br>he/she can even see from home in the
evening which lessons are understood by<br>the pupils and which have to be
deepened the next day.<br></div>
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Plan of Action<br><br></div> 1. Basic development of activity framework
for competive
<div><br> learning/training over a mesh
network.<br></div> 2. Internal tests and development within the
team.<br> 3. Integration of a simple model activity into the
framework.<br> 4. Beta release to the public and pledge for public
testing/bug reports.<br> 5. Development and integration of a demo
interface design attractive to<br> the first target group.
<div><br> 6. Intensive testing within a class of 15
pupils.<br> 7. Integration of a sophisticated model training/learning
activity.<br> 8. RC and Pledge for public suggestions for additional
interface designs.<br><br> 9. Further development<br><br>[edit<<a href="https://mail.google.com/index.php?title=Competitive_Learning&action=edit&section=5" target="_blank">https://mail.google.com/index.php?title=Competitive_Learning&action=edit&section=5</a>><br>
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<div>] Needs<br><br>*Why is this project
needed?*<br><br>Competitive training is a highly motivating technique for
pupils to train<br>their knowledge. In combination with the XO mesh network
this technique can<br>be smartly established together with real time
performance monitoring.<br><br>*Locally?*<br><br>In our class 15 pupils are
altogether. They all have some bigger gaps in<br>their basic knowledge in
several subjects. To close these gaps, standard<br>training techninques
(vocabulary cards etc.) are limited in their effect,<br>because the pupils
lack motivation and/or basic selforganization skills to<br>use these
techniques. In addition to that, the parents do not always have<br>the
ressources to help the pupils in their daly home training quota.<br><br>On
the other side, our pupils are very open to standard
score-point-like<br>and/or competing team motivation techniques. The
competitive training<br>activity shall motivate the pupils to close the gaps
and to achieve better<br>success in school, without the need of an intensive
parents' help or the<br>help of private tutors.<br><br>*In the greater
OLPC/Sugar community?*<br><br>Other pupils around the world have the same
need for a highly motivating<br>learning environment, which can be easily
used without the help of parents<br>or tutors. In some countries there even
aren't the ressources to have<br>vocabulary cards or the personal coaches
for every pupil, but there could be<br>one laptop per child to do this
job.<br><br>*Outside the community?*<br><br>The motivation technique used in
this project can be a model even for<br>learning environments outside the
OLPC community.<br><br>*Why can't this project be done
in<br></div></div>emulation<<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO</a>>using non-XO
<div><br>machines?<br>*<br><br>The project makes use of the
XO-specific mesh network and shall be<br>integrated into the XO philosophy,
with one laptop per child in the class.<br>To see how the motivation
increases when the pupils use the activity on<br>their own XO device,
original material should be used.<br><br>*Why are you requesting the number
of machines you are asking for?*<br><br>We need four laptops to establish
two competing client teams consisting of<br>two devices each. One laptop
should host the teacher's console.<br><br>*Will you consider (1)
salvaged/rebuilt XO Laptops:* Yes.<br><br>*Will you consider (2) damaged XO
Laptops?:* No.<br><br>*Which generation of XO Laptops do you need (XO-1.0 or
XO 1.5)?* Please<br>provide at least one or two 1.5 devices to be able to
test the activity on<br>the latest hardware.<br></div>
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<div>] Sharing Deliverables<br><br>*Project URL?where you'll report
specific ongoing progress:*<br><br> - Alpha state: Learning Within A
Mesh Network<br></div> <a href="http://www.johannesponader.de/Competitive_Learning_Within_A_Mesh_Network" target="_blank">http://www.johannesponader.de/Competitive_Learning_Within_A_Mesh_Network</a><<a href="http://www.johannesponader.de/Competitive" target="_blank">http://www.johannesponader.de/Competitive</a>><br>
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Beta and RC-State: OLPC Git Repository (<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/git" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/git</a>)
<div><br><br>*How will you convey tentative ideas & results
back to the OLPC/Sugar<br>community, prior to completion*<br><br> -
Community mailing list<br> - OLPC wiki<br> - wiki on Project
URL<br><br>*How will the final fruits of your labor be distributed to
children or<br>community members worldwide?*<br><br> - Open
Source<br> - RPM-Package<br><br>*Will your work have any possible
application or use outside our community?*<br><br>Yes. An internet server
could to some extent take over the functionality of<br>the mesh network, if
the framework shall be ported onto different platforms.<br><br><br>*How will
these people be reached?*<br><br> - Open source<br> -
Packages<br><br>*Have you investigated working with nearby XO
Lending<br></div>Libraries<<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries</a>>or<br>Project<br>Groups
<<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Groups" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Groups</a>>?*
<div><br><br>Unfortunately, there are no Lending Libraries in
Germany. We are in contact<br>with the German and Austrian Grassroots
Group.<br></div>
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<div>] Quality/Mentoring<br><br>*Would your Project benefit from
Support, Documentation and/or Testing<br>people? *Yes (see above - 4. Plan
of Action).<br><br>*Teachers' input into Usability? *Yes.<br><br>*How will
you promote your work?*<br><br>We will be embedding the project into a class
of 15 pupils, which is part of<br>the so-called "KUSS"-Project. As the
KUSS-Project is a model school project<br>provided by the City of Munich,
reports about the project reach the Munich<br>City Council in regular
periods. When we are successful, we can think about<br>establishing a XO
Lending Library in Munich or to introduce a major OLPC<br>model project in
one or more municipal school(s) in Munich.<br><br>*Can we help you with an
experienced mentor from the OLPC/Sugar community?<br></div>(WEB-PUBLISHED
<<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects</a>>)*
<div><br><br>Yes, that would be cool. We appreciate mentoring from
an experienced<br>pedagoge who is actually working in a school somewhere
around the globe, so<br>that he/she knows the challenges of daily work at
schools and can think<br>himself into the benefits of the targetted project
from a practical view.<br></div>
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<div>] Timeline (Start to Finish)<br><br>*Please include a Proposed
timeline for your Project life-cycle: (this can<br>be in the form of Month
1, Month 2, etc rather than specific dates)*<br><br> - Month 1: Start
of development<br> - Month 2: Framework alpha, tested
locally<br> - Month 3: Framework beta, can be tested for larger
networks by the<br> community<br> - Month 4: Implementation of
vocabulary trainer alpha<br> - Month 5: Vocabulary activity beta -
local testing by pupils and<br> teacher(s)<br> - Month 6: RC -
Bugreports from the community<br> - Month 7: V 1.0 - encouraging the
community to integrate other<br> activities into the
framework<br><br><br>--<br>Johannes Ponader<br>0162/94 64 94
0<br><br></div></blockquote><br><br>
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<div><br>--<br>Christoph Derndorfer<br>co-editor, olpcnews<br>url: <a href="http://www.olpcnews.com" target="_blank">www.olpcnews.com</a><br>e-mail:
<a href="mailto:christoph@olpcnews.com" target="_blank">christoph@olpcnews.com</a><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Johannes Ponader<br>0162/94 64 94 0<br></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Johannes Ponader<br>0162/94 64 94 0<br>